tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387284174922871714.post7830467871237497185..comments2024-01-27T00:32:05.370+00:00Comments on Paul Canning: How the Victorians do it (and how the dicks in charge here do it)paulocanninghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17499916652508144662noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387284174922871714.post-60259533133505479402008-06-17T21:37:00.000+01:002008-06-17T21:37:00.000+01:00You should know I don't do anonymous posts Pau...You should know I don't do anonymous posts Paul!<br><br>I wouldn't be that snarky either!Davehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02344291752322888255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387284174922871714.post-14875274637603440842008-06-17T19:30:00.000+01:002008-06-17T19:30:00.000+01:00I guess I'm still 'bitter' about e-cit...I guess I'm still 'bitter' about e-citizen (at least £12m).<br><br>I'll add a correction dude!<br><br>Seriously, no-ones adding it *all* up (to my knowledge).<br><br>So gawd knows how much the waste amounts to.Paul Canninghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17499916652508144662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387284174922871714.post-36830664200187923502008-06-17T19:22:00.000+01:002008-06-17T19:22:00.000+01:00Come along, at least write a factually correct pos...Come along, at least write a factually correct post. For a start there's no "multi-million" about it....you must have seen the grant determination in the thread from CLG - £380kish over two years!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387284174922871714.post-60821857669599195602008-06-17T18:46:00.000+01:002008-06-17T18:46:00.000+01:00To which I responded - I know the arguments around...To which I responded - <br><br>I know the arguments around the bad stuff and culture. It was a ham-fisted, bad management manoeuvre and given past experience amounts to money thrown away.<br><br>the lack of a proper portal and the reality of a proliferation of projects means that there’s no coordination and individual projects constantly struggle for attention.<br><br>the roots are in the egov policy and management which we’ve had for the last eight years or so.<br><br>It’s not going to get better. everyone seems to think that the next initiative will solve the problem. It won’t. <br><br>It’s time to speak truth to power and that means calling Ministers on their rubbish.Paul Canninghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17499916652508144662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387284174922871714.post-46948393090719546112008-06-17T17:33:00.000+01:002008-06-17T17:33:00.000+01:00Paul I think organisation develop a culture around...Paul I think organisation develop a culture around there staff. Changing names also requires a big culture change. <br><br>I've shared a thought or two here:<br><br><br>http://www.podnosh.com/blog/2008/06/17/why-icele-was-perhaps-not-so-excellent-and-what-we-should-do-next/Nick Boothhttp://www.podnosh.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387284174922871714.post-31273082045177467722008-06-17T16:30:00.000+01:002008-06-17T16:30:00.000+01:00This is exactly why the leadership is lacking.rath...This is exactly why the leadership is lacking.<br><br>rather than close something down, ditch the good stuff, waste money and start with another blank sheet - why not intervene and change ICELE? or merge it? or change it's name?<br><br>If everything is going to not be allowed to make mistakes, not managed from on top properly and be - essentially - thrown to the wolves whilst money is then thrown somewhere else then we're never going to get anywhere.<br><br>there is no problem with funding btw - it's how it's being misused.<br><br>if a little state like Victoria or countless other places can do this much better it really is about time govt. was called on it. We are many years down the line with egov now.Paul Canninghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17499916652508144662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387284174922871714.post-22379809682628281302008-06-17T16:17:00.000+01:002008-06-17T16:17:00.000+01:00I understand your anger Paul. Maybe because I am r...I understand your anger Paul. Maybe because I am relatively new to all of this, I don't feel quite as much frustration as you. I appreciate the good guidance and stuff that ICELE produced, but the reason they are being shut down is because they weren't sustainable when they needed to be to survive. Maybe if they hadn't wasted so much money on pointless stuff like Voice and Blog in a Box, this wouldn't have happened.<br><br>ICELE were also way, way behind in terms of the culture to actually engage with the social web in any meaningful way. And even a this stage, they are refusing to acknowledge their failings and are lashing out - see here: http://davepress.net/2008/06/09/drip-drip-more-icele-news/#comment-999<br><br>I want to see a decent eGov centre too, preferably virtual, preferably managed in the most part by enthusiasts in a way that won't die because of a lack of gov't funding. I'll be putting the case for this forward to DCLG on Thursday - will report back.Davehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02344291752322888255noreply@blogger.com